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Monday, 10 April 2017
Big Sam v Wenger: How their relationship has evolved
As they prepare to go head to head on Monday Night Football, Crystal Palace boss Sam Allardyce and Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger can now claim to have a civil relationship.
Yet it has not always been that way. Far from it, in fact,
with Allardyce once boasting of how much he loved to wind up the
Frenchman when they were in direct opposition.
It took until five years into Wenger's reign at Arsenal for the pair to face each other for the first time
With
a total of 26 meetings now behind them, there have been plenty of
flashpoints along the way - but how has the dynamic between the two
evolved?
The Bolton years
Allardyce undoubtedly enjoyed
his greatest successes against Wenger's Arsenal during his seven and a
half years in charge of Bolton.
It wasn't until after Wanderers
won promotion to the Premier League in 2001 that the two crossed paths
and the sides drew 1-1 in one of the Lancashire club's first games back
in the top flight.
Arsenal would win their next two meetings but
those successes stand as just four Wenger had in 12 games against
Allardyce while he was resident at the former Reebok Stadium.
Allardyce enjoyed his best sequence of results against
Wenger when he was in charge of Bolton Wanderers
Even
now, the Gunners manager concedes he still hurts from a 2-2 draw with
Bolton in 2003 which went some way to costing his team the title that
year.
Speaking as recently as December, he said: "I'm competitive
and every disappointment stays with me for ever. It is a scar on your
heart.
"It
is the problem of my life, basically. Unfortunately, you have awkward
moments and you never forget them - but it is part of the game."
Allardyce was frank in his 2015 book, Big Sam, The Autobiography, about the satisfaction he took from depriving Wenger of positive results.
Allardyce's Bolton record v Arsenal
Date
Result
Winning Manager
22/09/01
Arsenal 1-1 Bolton
Draw
29/04/02
Bolton 0-2 Arsenal
Wenger
21/09/02
Arsenal 2-1 Bolton
Wenger
26/04/03
Bolton 2-2 Arsenal
Draw
20/12/03
Bolton 1-1 Arsenal
Draw
20/03/04
Arsenal 2-1 Bolton
Wenger
18/09/04
Arsenal 2-2 Bolton
Draw
15/01/05
Bolton 1-0 Arsenal
Allardyce
03/12/05
Bolton 2-0 Arsenal
Allardyce
11/02/06
Arsenal 1-1 Bolton
Draw
25/11/06
Bolton 3-1 Arsenal
Allardyce
14/04/07
Arsenal 2-1 Bolton
Wenger
He
wrote: "I enjoyed beating Arsenal more than anyone when I was in charge
at Bolton. We'd really got to them and Arsene Wenger hated us.
"We
drew with them or beat them more often than expected and Wenger
couldn't handle it. There was one time he wouldn't shake hands with me
at Highbury because we got a draw.
"I saw him ripping his tie off
and throwing it on the floor in anger. He takes it all very personally
and has an air of arrogance."
We look ahead to the Monday Night Football clash between Crystal Palace and Arsenal
Continuing to shock
Allardyce
took his ability to rile Wenger with him when he left Bolton - firstly
to Newcastle, where his sole game against Arsenal ended in a 1-1 draw.
Although
results were heavily weighted in the London club's favour when
Allardyce later went to Blackburn, he did inflict one defeat which had
lasting ramifications.
Allardyce claimed in his 2015 autobiography Wenger had an 'air of arrogance'
Having
been just two points off the top of the table with seven games to play
in 2009/10, Arsenal proceeded to win just one of their next five league
matches and fell out of contention.
The last place Wenger needed
to go was Ewood Park, yet another setback came there as Allardyce's team
won 2-1 and effectively rubbed salt in the visitors' wounds.
Wenger
was unhappy with how the game was allowed to pan out, however, accusing
Blackburn's players of targeting his goalkeeper Lukasz Fabianski at set
pieces.
Allardyce v Arsenal at Newcastle and Blackburn
Date
Result
Winning Manager
05/12/07
Newcastle 1-1 Arsenal
Draw
14/03/09
Arsenal 4-0 Blackburn
Wenger
04/10/09
Arsenal 6-2 Blackburn
Wenger
03/05/10
Blackburn 2-1 Arsenal
Allardyce
28/08/10
Arsenal 2-1 Blackburn
Wenger
He
said: "Blackburn's main purpose every time was to stop the keeper. I
cannot understand why he (referee Martin Atkinson) did not stop that.
"I
do not know any more what is a foul and what is not a foul. Every time
[a ball went in] Fabianski was pushed. There is no purpose to play the
ball from the Blackburn players.
"They don't even watch the ball.
He [Fabianski] had two players in front of him all the time and every
time it was to stop him getting the ball."
Allardyce admits he loved beating Arsenal when he was
with Bolton, something he did on three occasions
The
fall out ran for some time, with Allardyce issuing a pointed response
before a rematch at the Emirates a little under four months later, which
saw Arsenal win 2-1.
He said: "I have to remind Arsene about his team, which used to win the league, that was the dirtiest team in the league.
"If you cast your mind back to when they were winning the league, they had more sendings-off and bookings than anyone else.
"Arsene
is almost, almost, affecting the officials so that you can't tackle an
Arsenal player. That's something he's very clever at working on and it's
almost working in his favour, you can see that.
Wenger was unhappy at how Lukasz Fabianski was singled
out in Blackburn's win over Arsenal in May 2010
"There is a perception that we kick everybody and Arsenal's motivation is that you can't tackle us as you aren't supposed to."
Wenger's best run
Going
into Monday's game, Wenger is unbeaten in 10 meetings with Allardyce, a
run which began with that 2-1 victory over Blackburn in the first weeks
of the 2010/11 campaign.
When Allardyce went to West Ham, he won
promotion back to the Premier League then enjoyed three mid-table
finishes - yet his record against Arsenal nosedived spectacularly.
Wenger's
side won each of their six games in that period - all bar one by at
least two goals - and yet the Frenchman, somewhat curiously, remained
critical of his opposite number's style.
Wenger's unbeaten run v Allardyce
Date
Result
Winning Manager
28/08/10
Arsenal 2-1 Blackburn
Wenger
06/10/12
West Ham 1-3 Arsenal
Wenger
23/01/13
Arsenal 5-1 West Ham
Wenger
26/12/13
West Ham 1-3 Arsenal
Wenger
15/04/14
Arsenal 3-1 West Ham
Wenger
28/12/14
West Ham 1-2 Arsenal
Wenger
14/03/15
Arsenal 3-0 West Ham
Wenger
05/12/15
Arsenal 3-1 Sunderland
Wenger
24/04/16
Sunderland 0-0 Arsenal
Draw
01/01/17
Arsenal 2-0 Crystal Palace
Wenger
With
Jose Mourinho likening West Ham's tactics to "football from the 19th
century", Allardyce continually found himself speaking out against the
reputation he had for playing long-ball football.
He also cited Wenger as someone who used their approach as an excuse for his own team's performances against them.
Nevertheless, relations thawed over time, due perhaps in part to the fact Wenger was dominating whenever they came together.
Nowadays…
By
the time Allardyce became England manager last year, he admitted Wenger
was one of the managers he had to build bridges with to ensure players
were released for international duty.
He said: "I would like to
get round everybody and make some contact and hear their thoughts. We've
got to try to help each other if we possibly can. It won't always be
the case."
Wenger won all six of his matches against Allardyce's
West Ham when the Englishman was in charge at Upton Park
Allardyce's reign, of course, lasted just one game before he lost his job following the Daily Telegraph's investigation into corruption in football.
He was alleged to have offered advice on how to get around rules on player transfers.
Wenger
said: "You have to let Sam Allardyce defend himself and I just hope he
will clear his name. We have to be careful, we live in a society that is
very quick to accuse people."
Allardyce admitted wishing to build bridges with Wenger
after he was appointed as England manager last year
Allardyce was out of the game for three months before joining Palace and, in his second game, came up against Arsenal.
Predictably,
it was Wenger who came out on top again - but only after he had
showered praise on Allardyce in pre-match interviews.
He said: "He
has the quality of a guy who is intelligent as he adapts to the level
of his team and makes it simple for them to apply what he wants. I
believe adaptability is one of his strengths."
Wenger supported Allardyce after allegations were made
against him during an investigation by the Daily Telegraph
Allardyce
also insisted there was no longer any animosity between the two,
instead launching an impassioned defence of a man who still remains
under pressure at his club now.
He said: "Because of what Arsene
did in the past, because he was that successful in his earlier days,
they (fans) can't quite understand why they haven't been that successful
again.
"It is much more difficult to do what his Invincibles team
did in the current day but Arsene is certainly the man to build a
football club.
"They've spent £500million on a stadium and he's still qualifying for the Champions League every year.
Allardyce maintains relations between him and Wenger are much better nowadays
"I've
had some good fun with Arsene. I got under his skin but those were the
early days. Our meetings have been much more amicable since, on and off
the field.
'I've always had a huge amount of respect for him. Winding-up was just a procedure we used as and when it was necessary."
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